The Hurdle Rate Podcast
Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!
Episodes

Dec 16, 2025
Dec 16, 2025
45 min
Episode 40 - Set Up For A Supercycle
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:02:08] The Latest on Bitcoin
[00:10:18] A Decade-Long Supercycle?
[00:19:47] OCC Greenlights Crypto Bank Charters
[00:26:14] Valuations
[00:34:48] Quantum Risks?
[00:40:15] MSTR Staying in Nasdaq 100
[00:43:57] Final Thoughts

Dec 9, 2025
Dec 9, 2025
40 min
Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High
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[00:00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:30] Bitcoin MENA
[00:22:53] Bitcoin As The Hurdle Rate
[00:37:27] Closing Thoughts

Dec 2, 2025
Dec 2, 2025
57 min
Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:40] The Incentives Are Aligned
[00:10:50] MSTR’s Green Dots & USD Reserve
[00:46:16] STRC Dividend Rate Hike

Nov 25, 2025
Nov 25, 2025
52 min
Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:50] Market Uncertainty & MSCI Exclusions
[00:34:14] Mike Green Article and the K-Shaped Economy

Nov 18, 2025
Nov 18, 2025
54 min
Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:30] Bitcoin Amsterdam & Cantor Conference Miami Recaps
[00:19:24] Volatility in the Prefs
[00:41:08] Underwriting Bitcoin
[00:47:28] Hedging with Zcash?

Nov 10, 2025
Nov 10, 2025
1hr 19 min
Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] The IPOs of Digital Credit
[00:12:41] The Process of Launching a Preferred Product
[00:27:06] ASST & SATA Update

Nov 4, 2025
Nov 4, 2025
51 min
Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:34] Strive’s SATA Announcement
[00:01:15] Strategy Introduces Stream
[00:15:37] MSTR Q3 Earnings Call Recap
[00:36:10] ROC Dividends
[00:42:02] Additional Highlights from Strategy Earnings Report

Oct 28, 2025
Oct 28, 2025
53 min
Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Strategy Gets a Credit Rating
[00:12:43] How This Will Impact the Insurance Industry
[00:21:50] Interest Coverage Ratio and Industry Credit Ratings
[00:27:23] What Will It Take for Bitcoin Treasury Companies Credit Ratings to Go Higher?
[00:44:08] Mike Alfred, Big Volumes, and What It All Means
[00:51:18] US China Trade Deal and Other Macro Tailwinds

Oct 22, 2025
Oct 22, 2025
52 min
Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:34] Recapping Tim’s Latest Bitcoin Treasuries Digital Conference
[00:13:34] Sentiment vs Conviction with Bitcoin Treasury Companies
[00:25:17] Why do Bitcoin Treasury Companies Exist?
[00:38:18] Strategic Risk Taking

Oct 14, 2025
Oct 14, 2025
1hr 46 sec
Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:02:00] Crypto Crash of October 11
[00:21:11] Launching a Treasury Company from Zero
[00:43:44] Deep Dive on Private Credit








