The Hurdle Rate Podcast
Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!
Episodes

Oct 7, 2025
Oct 7, 2025
47 min
Episode 30 - Focus on the Future
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:20] Ben Werkman Joins Strive as CIO
[00:18:07] Tribalism and Doubt in Bitcoin
[00:32:47] The Fastest Growing ETF of All Time
[00:35:03] CAMT - Corporate Alternative Minimum Tax
[00:41:52] Uptober Getting Revved Up

Sep 30, 2025
Sep 30, 2025
52 min
Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:24] Breaking News: Tim is All In and Dedicating His Life to Bitcoin
[00:10:11] Bitcoin vs Other Store of Value Assets
[00:21:41] Bitcoin Super Cycle?
[00:26:30] Digital ID Rollout in the UK
[00:41:00] Strategy Dividend Day

Sep 23, 2025
Sep 23, 2025
50 min
Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:15] Strive Acquires Semler Scientific
[00:19:39] The Impact of Meeting Bitcoiners in Person
[00:26:40] Behind the Scenes of the Bitcoin Treasuries NYC Unconference with Tim
[00:38:55] Operating with a Long Term View in Bitcoin

Sep 16, 2025
Sep 16, 2025
52 min
Episode 27 - The Starting Line
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors
[00:29:57] Rate Cut on Wednesday?
[0036:57] Bitcoin Treasuries Unconference
[00:46:51] Options on the Prefs

Sep 9, 2025
Sep 9, 2025
42 min
Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early.
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:40] No Strategy in the S&P 500
[00:14:20] Michael Saylor Reframes the World of Risk
[00:37:11] The Landscape of Strategy’s ATMs
[00:40:58] Pierre’s Closing Thoughts

Sep 3, 2025
Sep 3, 2025
43 min
Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:23] Recapping Bitcoin Asia
[00:21:22] STRC Dividend Increases
[00:34:13] Fed Independence and What Rates Should Do

Aug 26, 2025
Aug 26, 2025
58 min
Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:45] Meet The Hurdle Rate’s First Guest Host, Avik Roy
[00:02:44] Strive’s Major News Announcement
[00:08:40] The Fed Symposium in Jackson Hole
[00:29:59] Intel & The US Government
[00:56:33] Update on Tim’s Unconference

Aug 19, 2025
Aug 19, 2025
55 min
Episode 23 - Noise in the Market
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Trading Below 1 mNAV?
[00:27:41] Gold Revaluation
[00:36:51] Bitcoin Treasury Executive Compensation
[00:42:10] Preferred Liquidation Preference

Aug 13, 2025
Aug 13, 2025
51 min
Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Bo Hines to the Private Sector
[00:08:30] ETH Treasury Companies and Scale
[00:31:57] Tim’s NYC Unconference
[00:40:44] Strategy’s 5 Year Bitcoin Anniversary

Aug 5, 2025
Aug 5, 2025
58 min
Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:34] Recapping MSTR Earnings Call
[00:09:49] Strategy’s ATM Adjustment
[00:21:00] MSTR’s Bitcoin Per Share
[00:30:03] Only Look at Leverage Ratio
[00:45:08] Could Bitcoin Treasury Companies Lead to the Next Bear Market?








