The Hurdle Rate Podcast
Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!
Episodes

Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Episode 27 - The Starting Line
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors
[00:29:57] Rate Cut on Wednesday?
[0036:57] Bitcoin Treasuries Unconference
[00:46:51] Options on the Prefs

Tuesday Sep 09, 2025
Tuesday Sep 09, 2025
Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early.
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:40] No Strategy in the S&P 500
[00:14:20] Michael Saylor Reframes the World of Risk
[00:37:11] The Landscape of Strategy’s ATMs
[00:40:58] Pierre’s Closing Thoughts

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:23] Recapping Bitcoin Asia
[00:21:22] STRC Dividend Increases
[00:34:13] Fed Independence and What Rates Should Do

Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:45] Meet The Hurdle Rate’s First Guest Host, Avik Roy
[00:02:44] Strive’s Major News Announcement
[00:08:40] The Fed Symposium in Jackson Hole
[00:29:59] Intel & The US Government
[00:56:33] Update on Tim’s Unconference

Tuesday Aug 19, 2025
Tuesday Aug 19, 2025
Episode 23 - Noise in the Market
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Trading Below 1 mNAV?
[00:27:41] Gold Revaluation
[00:36:51] Bitcoin Treasury Executive Compensation
[00:42:10] Preferred Liquidation Preference

Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Bo Hines to the Private Sector
[00:08:30] ETH Treasury Companies and Scale
[00:31:57] Tim’s NYC Unconference
[00:40:44] Strategy’s 5 Year Bitcoin Anniversary

Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:34] Recapping MSTR Earnings Call
[00:09:49] Strategy’s ATM Adjustment
[00:21:00] MSTR’s Bitcoin Per Share
[00:30:03] Only Look at Leverage Ratio
[00:45:08] Could Bitcoin Treasury Companies Lead to the Next Bear Market?

Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
Episode 20 - Convert to IPO
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:15] STRC IPO
[00:13:07] Converts and MSTR Earnings Expectations
[00:22:38] No ATM Usage from Strategy
[00:37:30] US Trade Deal with EU
[00:44:16] mNAV Indicator of Store of Value

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Episode 19 - A Huge Wave of Capital isn't a STRC
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[00:00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:23] - STRC - What Does It Mean to You?
[00:20:54] - Real Estate Vs Perpetual Preferred Products
[00:38:45] - Is Winter Coming Back?
[00:50:25] - Ben Breaks The Top 20
[00:51:01] 351 and Joining the Strive Family

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Episode 18 - Transparency is Not Priced In
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:47] Strategy’s Latest Buy
[00:08:25] Altcoin Treasury Companies?
[00:18:58] AI’s Impact on Bitcoin Treasury Companies
[00:25:17] Breaking Down ‘Analysts’ Estimates on MSTR
[00:33:24] So Much for Sideways Summer?
[00:37:51] The End of Earnings Volatility?
[00:41:28] The Mispricing of Risk for Bitcoin Treasury Companies
[00:43:36] New Tariffs, No Flinch








