The Hurdle Rate Podcast
Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!
Episodes

Tuesday Nov 18, 2025
Tuesday Nov 18, 2025
Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:30] Bitcoin Amsterdam & Cantor Conference Miami Recaps
[00:19:24] Volatility in the Prefs
[00:41:08] Underwriting Bitcoin
[00:47:28] Hedging with Zcash?

Monday Nov 10, 2025
Monday Nov 10, 2025
Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] The IPOs of Digital Credit
[00:12:41] The Process of Launching a Preferred Product
[00:27:06] ASST & SATA Update

Tuesday Nov 04, 2025
Tuesday Nov 04, 2025
Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:34] Strive’s SATA Announcement
[00:01:15] Strategy Introduces Stream
[00:15:37] MSTR Q3 Earnings Call Recap
[00:36:10] ROC Dividends
[00:42:02] Additional Highlights from Strategy Earnings Report

Tuesday Oct 28, 2025
Tuesday Oct 28, 2025
Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:30] Strategy Gets a Credit Rating
[00:12:43] How This Will Impact the Insurance Industry
[00:21:50] Interest Coverage Ratio and Industry Credit Ratings
[00:27:23] What Will It Take for Bitcoin Treasury Companies Credit Ratings to Go Higher?
[00:44:08] Mike Alfred, Big Volumes, and What It All Means
[00:51:18] US China Trade Deal and Other Macro Tailwinds

Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:34] Recapping Tim’s Latest Bitcoin Treasuries Digital Conference
[00:13:34] Sentiment vs Conviction with Bitcoin Treasury Companies
[00:25:17] Why do Bitcoin Treasury Companies Exist?
[00:38:18] Strategic Risk Taking

Tuesday Oct 14, 2025
Tuesday Oct 14, 2025
Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:02:00] Crypto Crash of October 11
[00:21:11] Launching a Treasury Company from Zero
[00:43:44] Deep Dive on Private Credit

Tuesday Oct 07, 2025
Tuesday Oct 07, 2025
Episode 30 - Focus on the Future
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:20] Ben Werkman Joins Strive as CIO
[00:18:07] Tribalism and Doubt in Bitcoin
[00:32:47] The Fastest Growing ETF of All Time
[00:35:03] CAMT - Corporate Alternative Minimum Tax
[00:41:52] Uptober Getting Revved Up

Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:24] Breaking News: Tim is All In and Dedicating His Life to Bitcoin
[00:10:11] Bitcoin vs Other Store of Value Assets
[00:21:41] Bitcoin Super Cycle?
[00:26:30] Digital ID Rollout in the UK
[00:41:00] Strategy Dividend Day

Tuesday Sep 23, 2025
Tuesday Sep 23, 2025
Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:15] Strive Acquires Semler Scientific
[00:19:39] The Impact of Meeting Bitcoiners in Person
[00:26:40] Behind the Scenes of the Bitcoin Treasuries NYC Unconference with Tim
[00:38:55] Operating with a Long Term View in Bitcoin

Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Episode 27 - The Starting Line
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors
[00:29:57] Rate Cut on Wednesday?
[0036:57] Bitcoin Treasuries Unconference
[00:46:51] Options on the Prefs








