The Hurdle Rate Podcast
Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!
Episodes

2 days ago
2 days ago
Episode 52 - An Increasingly Digital World
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate[00:01:10] The Latest News from Strategy[00:14:00] Private Credit Liquidity Issues[00:32:23] The Correlation Between Private Credit and Public Credit Markets

Tuesday Mar 17, 2026
Tuesday Mar 17, 2026
Episode 51 - A Digital Credit Treasury
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate[00:00:36] Strive ASST & SATA Update[00:49:14] Strategy’s Latest Buy

Tuesday Mar 10, 2026
Tuesday Mar 10, 2026
Episode 50 - Some Pretty Good Money Printing
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate[00:03:20] Strategy’s Latest[00:12:55] 20 Millionth Bitcoin is Mined[00:37:15] The Speed at Which AI is Advancing

Monday Mar 02, 2026
Monday Mar 02, 2026
Episode 49 - Digital Credit is for Corporations
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:02:00] Bitcoin as Digital Freedom Money Amid Global Uncertainty
[00:20:30] Strategy World Recap
[00:27:55] STRC as The Hurdle Rate?
[00:39:20] Traditional Finance at Strategy World
[00:50:40] The Liquidity Component
[01:05:50] Closing Thoughts

Wednesday Feb 18, 2026
Wednesday Feb 18, 2026
Episode 48 - Bullish Digital Credit
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We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:51] Reflections on Bitcoin Investor Week & Matt’s Cardone Debate
[00:10:28] Amplification in a Bear Market
[00:22:04] The True Risk Profile of Digital Credit Instruments
[00:37:00] Private Credit, Compounding GDP, and Government Spending
[00:45:35] AI Disruption and the K Shaped Economy

Tuesday Feb 10, 2026
Tuesday Feb 10, 2026
Episode 47 - A Time To Build
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:50] Bitcoin Investor Week in NYC
[00:09:50] Bull vs Bear Markets
[00:28:00] Is the Bottom In?
[00:41:40] Strategy’s Earnings Call

Tuesday Feb 03, 2026
Tuesday Feb 03, 2026
Episode 46 - Build The Structure
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:01:05] Kevin Warsh Named Fed Chair
[00:24:38] Clawdbots & Moltbook
[00:32:10] The Pref Only Model & Digital Risk
[00:44:05] Bitcoin as a Term Asset & What a Supercycle Means

Wednesday Jan 28, 2026
Wednesday Jan 28, 2026
Episode 45 - Preferred Equity Demand
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:40] Does the Preferred Equity Present a Systemic Risk to Bitcoin?
[00:21:42] Strive + Semler: The First M&A Transaction in Bitcoin Treasuries
[00:33:30] IBIT Bitcoin Covered Call ETF
[00:41:51] Gold & Silver Price Action
[00:47:30] What is Japan Saying to the World Right Now?
[00:58:54] Bitcoin in an Action-Packed 2026

Tuesday Jan 20, 2026
Tuesday Jan 20, 2026
Episode 44 - Digital Credit Clarity
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:00:56] Strategy’s Latest
[00:11:55] Credit Spreads Hit All Time Tights
[00:30:06] Coinbase Pulls Out of Clarity Act
[00:43:54] Matt Cole Corners the Bitcoin Treasury Podcast Industrial Complex

Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
Tuesday Jan 13, 2026
Episode 43 - The Best Message Is Digital Credit
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[00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate
[00:02:55] Strategy’s $1.25 Billion Orange Buy
[00:15:56] Michael Saylor on What Bitcoin Did
[00:39:58] Jerome Powell in Hot Water and Disenchantment with the Fed
[00:49:30] Trump Caps Credit Card Interest
[00:56:03] Strive Semler Merger








